Line Body Working as a Truss - Cable. Only Axial forces

Hello all.

I'm facing a dilemma here while analysing the elements.

See photo 1, which is the element that I would like to analyse within the outer body. It's a fibre behaving as that shape.

When I set the element as a Beam it works accordingly with that shape, however, how I want to analyse only the axial forces (EA) and the material can't have any Bending and Shear stiffness (=0) I need to set as a Truss and/or as a Cable. Once I set as a cable, the drawing automatically straightens the element. (photo 2).

It's indeed working and providing only the axial forces (photo 3), however, 2 questions come to my mind: why he straighten the body and why the mesh is not working and sharing between the fibre and the bigger element (asset profile)? I set them as a bonded connection and to share the topology.

Any help would help tremendously as I would like to provide these results to my dissertation.

Thank you and Kind Regards,

Andre Pitt


  • You need to add a Mesh control of Sizing on the line body and set the Element Size for that line body at 1 mm. It looks like there is only a single element. However, you want the nodes on that element to interface with nodes in the surrounding material. Therefore, I recommend you add a Coordinate System at the center of the line body, then add a Sizing mesh control on the frame of type Sphere of Influence, and set a Radius of 30 mm and an element size of 1 mm.

    Have you already figured out how to connect the line body with the surrounding material?

  • Dear Peter,

    Thank you for your time and your insightful comments.

    This is a photo using the body as a beam. (30mm and element size of 1mm)

    But how I would like to study as an axial member only (cable) it's still straigthen the cable up

    I set a shared topology between the line body and the solid and added a frictionless contact between. But answering straight to your question about the connection between the bodies I would say no. I'm probably doing something wrong

    I'm trying to study that line body and its behaviour, wouldn't be the best study as a crack?

    Any suggestion is more than welcome

    Thank you very much, Peter, for your attention

  • peteroznewmanpeteroznewman Member
    edited September 18

    I know one way to connect the fiber to the solid, that is to create an edge in the solid that is coincident with the fiber.

    If the curves of the fiber are planar, then it is possible to slice the solid on that plane, then extrude the fiber into a cutting surface and slide the two solid pieces into four, then you will need a plane at each end of the fiber, normal to the fiber to cut the four solids at each end of the fiber to end up with 12 pieces.

    At that point, Shared Topology begins working because your line body and the solid bodies now share edges.

    If the fiber was not planar, but had a 3D curve, that just makes the job more difficult, but not impossible.

    I can help with that slicing if you attach a zip file with your project archive. Make sure the Geometry is available for editing in that archive.

    There is another way to do this, using MESH200, and REINFORCE, but I have never used that. No slicing of geometry is required. The elements find the intersection with the beams all by themselves.

  • Hi Peter,

    This is a tremendous help and generous of you.

    Follow the folder with all workbench files and I also added a few SpaceClaim 2D and 3D drawings of the profile.

    Working that connection and being able to study the axial behaviour of the fibre will be great support so I can analyse the results to my dissertation.

    Please let me know anything that I can do to help you help me. 😉

    Thank you so much, Peter

  • peteroznewmanpeteroznewman Member
    edited September 18

    Dear Andre,

    Attached is the 2D Thick Fibre that I performed a Combine operation to subtract the fiber from the matrix, then used the Share button to connect the two surfaces.

    I rotated this geometry into the XY plane so you could do 2D plane strain models. I made the matrix Aluminum and the Fiber Steel.

    If instead of Shared Topology, you used Bonded Contact with Cohesive Zone Modeling you could allow the bond to break between the matrix and the fiber.

    I don't know what you want to do with the single curve of beams because it is just sitting on the surface of the 3D solid. Did you want that to be a reinforcement of a different material, or simply an edge in a uniform matrix that would allow you to plot result quantities along that edge?

    Also, you left out the .wbpj file from the .rar file so I couldn't open your Workbench project.

  • Dear Peter,

    Thank you, once again for all the support and my apologies for not sharing the right files with you.

    The command 'combine' that you explained, help me to create a thinner surface to study its behaviour. And the way that you "meshed" the elements taught me how to do it properly. Thank you!

    I gave a shot to see if I can pull out the bonded contact but I was not able to extract the results from the connection. Perhaps I'm doing wrong? See photos below:

    As I also said at the other post, is a way that I can study this surface as a fibre? Where it behaves like a hair, with only axial strength, no shear and bending resistance.

    See enclosed the file wbpj of the element above

    No words to thank you and Ansys Forum members for all the help.

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