any body know about nTopology software and how we can import geometry from nTop to ansys workbench?

MansourehMansoureh Member Posts: 5
edited March 18 in Preprocessing

hello dear all,

Any of you have experience with nTopology software? I am stuck in how can i import my geometry or my mesh into ansys workbench?

it gives us a mesh file in format .cdb, .k, .inp which are for mechanical apdl, ls-Dyna, and abaqus respectively. but when I am trying to use these file for a mechanical workbench and import my mesh into ansys with the file format of cdb or inp file, the geometry is not changeable and I can not define any boundary condition or select any surface, it seems the whole body is one without any surface to point or line.

If anybody can guide me?

thanks

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  • sharveysharvey San Diego, CAPosts: 91Member

    Hello @Mansoureh,

    The workflow you have will not give you geometry you can change. For cdb file import, if nTopology wrote out APDL components to identify the faces, then when the geometry is synthesized in Mechanical it could use those to give selectable faces/named selections.

    Now I have seen students export the stl (facets), then take that into SpaceClaim. Then in the tools tab, they can skin surfaces, and end up reverse engineering to get a solid, which could then be modified. There is also a facets tab that has features to do this. This process can be easy or more time consuming depending on the complexity of your geometry. You can then right mouse button on the body in the tree and create a solid.

    If you need more information on this process, let us know and we can try and provide details, but first I would see if you can bring in the stl and get access to the tools and facets tab.

    Once you have it in SpaceClaim, you take it into Mechanical, etc.


    Hope this helps. Thank you

    Sean

  • sharveysharvey San Diego, CAPosts: 91Member
    edited March 19

    Hello @mansoureh,

    I forgot to mention that if in the external model to mechanical workflow, right mouse button the link between the systems, pick properties, then select the downstream model cell (in this case E3) you will have properties you can change. Make sure create geometry is picked (which you most likely already have) but you can change the tolerance angle and Mechanical will subdivide the face into smaller faces depending on the angle between the normals. There is also a vertex insertion angle tolerance. Please try those too and see if it helps! See image below.


    Regards,

    Sean


  • ramgopisettiramgopisetti Posts: 102Member

    hi @Mansoureh , the answer to your question is simple, ntopology exports the body into neutral file files follow the link below how to export.

    as @sharvey had mention the procedure to recreat the geomentry in the above post, you can also able to work with mesh files.

    comment down for futher help

    happy generative designing

    cheers, Ram

  • MansourehMansoureh Posts: 16Member

    Dear @sharvey 

    Thank you so much for your answer. and sorry for delay from my side. I am involving in my design, finally I could bring a stl file from an initial structure to Ansys space claim. if i bring STL file, because of complexity of my structure, there is some problem like mesh is inter-secting and after solving that another problems appear, you can see in the below image

    I saw some tutorial but they could not help me for solving my problem. do you have any other tutorial or suggestion, i am beginner in space claim.

    and could you please tell me, can I edit any stl file in space claim? even more complex ? unfortunately in papers and article, any body did not mention how is the process for converting stl file to a suitable format for FE analysis.

    and how about Hypermesh? can I use that for edit stl file or obj? because Hypermesh can give us cmdb file for workbench (but i did not know after that geometry is editable or not to add solid body up and bottom of my structure). I did not know about hypermesh ability.

    As you mention me in another your post, I tried to bring my mesh from nTop to ansys workbench, but the problem is that I need to define solid body/surface up and bottom of this structure for compression test, but after bringing the mesh from nTop it is impossible to define any other body.

    another question: I could not edit the mesh in workbench anymore ? right? because I need to do mesh sensitivity for my structures, do you have any suggestion about that?

    and how about APDL, if i want to use that?

    I am so confused between which process can i use, this is 3 weeks i am searching websites and softwares, reading comment, asking from some authors of papers(no body answer), i was so happy, you answer and help me. i hope i can solve my problem and my work goes on with your help. thank you so much

  • MansourehMansoureh Posts: 16Member
    edited March 23

    Dear @ramgopisetti

    I saw all of them, but for my structure because of complexity, it is impossible to do that process to quadrate the mesh and gives me manifold error. i tried to export my triangle mesh in format cdb, inp, k or stl, obj file. i am searching to find the best way for preparing my file for ansys analysis and to be editable for adding solid body/ surface up and bottom of my structure for compression test.

    do you have any suggestion in this area that can be helpful for me?

    thank you so much

  • peteroznewmanpeteroznewman Posts: 11,404Member

    @Mansoureh

    I read the link for export formats that @ramgopisetti provided. I recommend you follow the directions in that link to convert to a CAD format and not export the mesh. I see that nTopology can export a Parasolid file. That is your best option. Please let us know if that works out better for you.

  • MansourehMansoureh Posts: 16Member

    Dear @peteroznewman


    Thank you for your answer.

    Indeed, there is some problem here. I mention them one by one maybe you can help me to find a solution. I tried to follow the directions in that link that @ramgopisetti mentioned.

    I wanted to model so complex structure like the Voronoi lattice, they are irregular beam strut that they are connected to each other. sometimes if they are full of struts with gradient thickness that it is so difficult to export CAD files from them. In nTop there is some process to do that. at first, we should define tetrahedron mesh and next convert it to quadrate and then export CAD file, but for my structures due to the connections and complexity, converting to quad is impossible and give me some errors. it means I can not have a CAD file(STEP or Parasolid) from my lattice.

    I tried to export a CAD file for a simple Voronoi structure. it is so simple with big porosity and few beam struts. after that, I import my step file to ansys, there are so many small surfaces that I should merge all of them, and sometimes I face an error that they can not be one surface. ( think

    I tried to mesh my imported lattice with these small surfaces, but if you see the images. the mesh is not good because of the existing so many separated surfaces.

    You know, the main problem is that:

    1. nTop don't give me a CAD file for so complex structures and

    2. if by any chance (that I think it is impossible) I can export that as CAD file, for my complex lattice maybe there are a million surfaces which merging them is so time-consuming and maybe impossible. so I should try to find another way to bring my lattice to ansys.

    In nTop 's slack, some experts said we should export tri surface mesh and do the rest in ansys. but after doing that, nTop give me .cdb file which is not editable at all. and my lattice is hollow, not solid.

    dear @peteroznewman can you help me to find a way to solve my problem?

    May i ask you to take a look at this like, in nTop website, maybe you can guide me which way I can use. I cant understand exactly what should I do for exporting data for ansys?

    https://support.ntopology.com/hc/en-us/articles/360039792513-What-types-of-FE-data-can-I-export-

    I greatly appreciate it.

    I attached my image here:



  • peteroznewmanpeteroznewman Posts: 11,404Member
    edited March 24

    @Mansoureh

    Please start at the beginning. What is your goal? What are you trying to accomplish, at a high level? What are your requirements?

    How does nTop claim to support this goal?

    What other software might be able to support your goal?

    Did you look at this: https://www.rhino3d.com/6/new/grasshopper/

    Did you consider creating the geometry in SpaceClaim?

  • MansourehMansoureh Posts: 16Member
    edited March 25

    Dear @peteroznewman

    My goal is to model some complex structures for bone application (I put some images below for showing to you what is my mean, these are from some papers that I found) . These complex structures can have different thicknesses, different pore size, and different unit cells type in gradient in for example z direction( you can see in below images).

    nTop and grasshopper completely cover this requirement for designing and they have really perfect options for designing suitable lattice for bone application and 3d printing But I chose nTop because is free for students, and no need license.

    The next step after designing , is doing a compression test in both experiments and FE analysis to choose the best one from a mechanical point of view. and then comparing FE result with experiments. Now there are two aspects:

    1. there is no problem with 3d printing because nTop give me STL file.
    2. But for FE analysis and doing compression test in ANSYS, as you know we need a Step or Parasolid file. For doing compression test in ansys , I need to define two solid surfaces/bodies on the top and bottom of my structures. After importing my lattice to ansys i should define this solids and prepare them for compression.

    This is my goal.

    How does nTop claim to support this goal?

    Besides designing options in nTop, it has some option to export Step, Parasolid, STL and some option for exporting FE mesh as " cdb " (APDL file) , "inp "(ABAQUS file) , "k" (Ls_Dyna) files. (https://support.ntopology.com/hc/en-us/articles/360039792513)

    Obtaining step or parasolid file for complex structure is so difficult as they mentioned in their website as well. i think this option support simple structures like optimized structures or less complexity. For exporting so complex structures it gives you an manifold error. So just left two other option, exporting STL file or FE mesh.

    They suggest to export FE mesh for using in ansys, I tried that. And I saw that after importing FE mexh as cdb file, I could not define any other geometry (i mean solid body / surface to do compression test)

    For importing cdb mesh file to ANSYS, I used "external model" option, and if i connect it to "static structural" , I could not edit any thing to add some solid body or etc.

    What other software might be able to support your goal?

    actually I think it should be an option to mesh stl file and then import that mesh to ANSYS, Am I right?

    because i saw in some papers, they used grasshopper for designing but they did not mention at all about the process to prepare the model for FE analysis and they did FE analysis for their structures. some body use nxNastran and femap simultaneously , some body use meshlab and somebody introduce Rhino for that purpose. But I am not familiar with these software and which one can exactly do my goal.

    i am not sure but I think one way is preparing stl file ,next try to mesh stl file and then bring mesh and nodes into ansys. what is your opinion about that? and if yes, what is the best software?


    I saw grasshopper but because it needs a license, I prefer to start with nTop. i dont know grasshopper can give us step file foe complex structures or it is needed to use other software as i mentioned above.

    Did you consider creating the geometry in SpaceClaim?

    actually I dont know , i just use spaclaim to try . i dont know space claim can help me or not. i am not familiar with space claim.

    can we work on stl file in space claim to prepare that for static or dynamic anlsysis?



    images that i mentioned before:

    1. this is one type of my desired structures, that i can design with nTop.

    2 another image in one prepare ( used grasshopper and Abaqus , the did not mention about how they bring model to Abaqus)

    scaffolds and EF analysis:

    i want to do sth like this with ANSYS.

    Thank you so much, for your help. and your time, is it so valuable for me.

  • ramgopisettiramgopisetti Posts: 102Member

    Hi @Mansoureh , sorry for the delay, ok it’s clear to me that you want to model vornoi structures, this is easy if you employ algorithmic design via grasshopper using rhino.

    Based on the image what I can see is that lots of surfaces which are generated because the engine behind ntopology was bsplines and implicit modelling , to simply your process, you need to adapt to ANSYS discovery to import the geometry as obj and setup the simulation and transfer it to workbench for additional and detail study. By this you can screen the issues and reduce the geometry preparation.

    you have to export the body from ntopology as obj and you can import it into discovery product.

    comment down for further help

    cheers ram

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