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Challenges in LES Simulation.

    • senthilathiban
      Subscriber

      Hi all, 


      I have done a simulation in RANS and LES using ANSYS Fluent 18.0 and compared with experimental results. The RANS results seems good, while the LES results are unacceptable. Please see the attached pdf. Any help to rectify the error is appreciated. 


       


      Thanks,


      senthil. 

    • Rob
      Ansys Employee

      As staff we're unable to open attachments, so I've not looked at the results. 


      Have you used a suitable mesh and time step in the LES calculation? Did both models converge to a good level? Is the experimental data good (always worth checking)? 

    • senthilathiban
      Subscriber


      computational domain.


       



      LES.. time averaged at 65 sec. 


       



      The above image shows a velocity probe near the point (0.6,0.2,0.34), 0.6 m distance from the inlet. As it can be seen that the velocity converges nearly to 0.225 m/s which equals the inlet velocity. There is no reduction in the velocity throughout the flow and as the period of simulation increases, the time averaged velocity also increases. This is the main problem in LES simulation.


       


      The mesh is fine. The experimental results have been validated by many researchers in RANS simulations. I am trying to validate it in LES.

    • Rob
      Ansys Employee

      Have you got the same plot from the RANS model?  Please can you also post the residual plots. 

    • senthilathiban
      Subscriber

      RANS image


      Rans results


       


       



      RANS residuals


       


       


       



      LES residuals.


       

    • seeta gunti
      Ansys Employee

      Hello,


      Did you use the same mesh for RANS and LES? 


      What kind of LES model did you use? I guess it is a confined flow. If it so, you can use either Dynamic LES or WMLES model and mesh needs to be very very fine.


      How did you do the sampling?  We have some best practices to run LES model. WE have few tutorials on LES. Please go through the below tutorials.




      Regards,


      Seeta

    • Keyur Kanade
      Ansys Employee

      As mentioned earlier, the mesh and time step are important factors here. 


      Can you please insert some images for mesh used. 

    • DrAmine
      Ansys Employee

      I want first of all recommend having a look into the Best Practice Document for Scale Resolving Simulations. Parts of it could be find in the CFX Best Practice Documentation.

    • senthilathiban
      Subscriber

      Mesh details.



       



       



       


       


      The mesh was made for LES - Smagorinsky lilly model with time step 0.01 (Courant number stays less than one).  And the same mesh was used for RANS simulation.

    • DrAmine
      Ansys Employee

      Again I recommend going through the SRS guidance. Temporal and spatial resolution  for LES are by fore more strict then the ones for RANS.

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