June 21, 2019 at 8:57 amRahul123Subscriber
I am try to simulate a case for air flow, where my inlet boundary condition is mass flow rate. But, I am confused about correct boundary conditions for outlets. I am attaching a figure of my setup here.
Flow from inlet should go and get stored in the tank in the figure. I also want to calculate pressure at point P1. And, outlet 1 and outlet 2 can be opened when desired. I tried by defining outlet 1 and 2 as pressure outlets. But, then the flow does not go to the tank at all. What is the correct boundary condition to achieve this?
Thanks in advance
June 21, 2019 at 9:16 amDrAmineAnsys Employee
Please insert the screenshot/picture instead of attaching it.
June 21, 2019 at 11:24 amRahul123Subscriber
June 21, 2019 at 12:21 pmRobAnsys Employee
Think through the physics:
what comes in (kg) = what goes out (kg) + hold-up (kg)
in steady state. Now consider the material density: how (why) will it fill the tank?
June 21, 2019 at 12:24 pmRahul123Subscriber
Thanks for the reply. For ex: I defined my mass flow rate as 0.0004 kg/s as the input. My target mass flow rate in outlet 1 is 0.0001 and outlet 2 is 0.0001 as well. So, the rest of 0.0002 kg/s should fill in the tank. But, this not happening. Do I need to define an artificial boundary condition at the tank boundary to define the flow direction?
June 21, 2019 at 1:24 pmRobAnsys Employee
Look at the material density: where does it go if you do that? In a transient calculation as long as the material can go somewhere you can use mass in & out.
June 21, 2019 at 1:45 pmRahul123Subscriber
My simulation is steady state. If I understood you correctly, you suggest me to use one more outlet 3 at the tank outer boundary. This makes it 3 outlets in total, out of which 2 outlets (outlet 1 and 2) are real outlets same as the physical model, while outlet 3 is an artificial outlet defined only in the fluent model?
One more problem, I have is: I also want to measure pressure at point P1 as shown in the figure. I know my mass flow rate at inlet, but when I do that pressure at P1 comes much lower than the physical model. Any suggestion regarding that too?
Should I change the gauge pressure at outlets in order to achieve that? as, of now, I am using default gauge pressure (0) at both the outlets but with the target mass flow rate.
Thanks in advance!
June 21, 2019 at 2:16 pmDrAmineAnsys Employee
You need to account for another degrees of freedoom: Transient accumatuon in the domain and / or compressiblity. Is the gauge pressure at both outlet the same?
June 24, 2019 at 8:04 amRahul123Subscriber
Yes, the gauge pressure is same at both the outlets but the target mass flow is different at both the outlets. I know my inlet mass flow rate, but it gives much lower pressure than experiment at P1. How can I resolve it? That fluid gets stored in the tank and I get the correct pressure at P1. I am using 101325 Pa as operating pressure.
June 24, 2019 at 8:07 amDrAmineAnsys Employee
If mass flow and total pressure inlet are known at the inlet then you need to decide which quantity is important for you. I do not think that you know the total pressure at inlet.
Are you now running transient? Are you now running compressible?
June 24, 2019 at 8:17 amRahul123Subscriber
Thanks for the reply Amine. I am running steady state simulation and I am using air flow, so yes it is compressible.
I know the mass flow at inlet from the physical experiments. The pressure at P1 as shown in the figure was measured in the experiment as well. When I use the same mass flow as experiments, the pressure at P1 is much lower. But, I guess I can fix that by defining the desired pressure at outlets? Would that be a correct approach?
And, how can I fix the problem of air not getting stored in the tank?
June 24, 2019 at 11:09 amDrAmineAnsys Employee
So air is modeled as ideal gas?
Yes you fix that by increasing the pressure at outlet: but you said that here we have ambient conditions (surrounding). Or do you have any losses at the outlet which need to be accounted for?
Can you please add a screenshot of the geometry from Fluent?
You are still not using the transient solver although we have highlighted that a couple of time.
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