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[Twain]

Hello there,

i am encountering some problems with my simulation, hopefully someone can help me sorting things out

I am modeling a multi phase eulerian flow through a porous zone, with velocity inlet, pressure outlet, SIMPLE algo and UDFs controlling the fluid flow.                           
(2 liquid, 1 gas)                           
the UDF descrbies e.g. viscouse resistance and the masstransfer between the 2 liquid zones,                           
which results in  volumefractions of those 2 liquids 'mixing' over the porous zone                           
                           
Now i would like to track some particles through the domain and view their distribution.                           
Therefore i used DPM, particle tracking, with injection from the inlet durface.                           
    The result indicates the particles go through the porous media - but they do not seem to 'mix' as heavily as the volumefraction of the phases.                       
                           
    So my question is:       

    In this case, do i need to       

          a) somehow assain those UDF to the injection?       
         Where as liquid 1 and 2 enter the porous zone through (surface) inlet - at first i thought this would "make"          the injected particles follow accordingly     
                        [from 24.1.2.3. Limitations on Using the Discrete Phase Model with Other ANSYS Fluent Models
                            [" ...  When using the DPM model with the Eulerian multiphase model, the tracked particles rely only on the primary phase to compute drag, heat, and mass transfer.
                            Also, any DPM related source terms are applied to the primary phase. Particle tracking relative to a secondary phase is not provided. ... "]

                    If adding UDFs is nessecary, what is the recommended way of doing so?       
                    (ecspecially, as there are  UDFs for each luiqid phase)                              

                   b) use an other type of particle?       
                        e.g. inert ones?   
                          
I hope i was able to describe the problem, even without any pictures atm.                            
Thanks in advace for your help!                           

BR Twain!

 

edit: formating

[DrAmine]

If massless or inert particles without coupling you can track with the phase you want as beta feature. In all other case you need to copy the velocity field into the one of primary phase and then switch back. Not easy.
We are working on extending Eulerian multiphase compatibility.

[Twain]

Thanks for your respnes, sorry it took some time for me.

As the problem still exists, someone here might be of help

 

Atm. I am injecting massless particles via file injection.

Now  i need to change their x and y velocities via an UDF.

(later changing to a value, which is written into an UDM)

 

I gave multiple macros a chance, e.g.:

DEFINE_DPM_SCALAR_UPDATE

DEFINE_DPM_INJECTION_INIT

DEFINE_DPM_OUTPUT

sadly without success.

 

Right  now, i am with:

DEFINE_ADJUST(adjust_DPM,d)
{
  Thread *t;
  cell_t c;
 
  thread_loop_c(t,d)
  {
   begin_c_loop(c,t) 
    Particle *p;
    Injection *Ilist, *I;
    Ilist = Get_dpm_injections();

    loop(I, Ilist)
    {   
        loop(p,I->p)
            {       
                P_VEL(p)[0]=5;   //fixed values for testing
                P_VEL(p)[1]=-5;
                P_VEL(p)[2]=0;
            }
    }
   end_c_loop(c,t)
  }
 
}

 

but this does not work either.

I am on Win 10, compiling the UDF with Visual Studio 2019 works, so does loading into fluent.

 

It can not be that hard, adjusting velocity vectors of these particles, can it?

.....

 

 

Looking definitly forward for some help here

 

Thanks in advance,

best regards,

Twain!

 

 

 

 

[DrAmine]

Try Scalar Update DPM macro.

[Twain]

Thanks for your response.

When using the DEFINE_DPM_SCALAR_UPDATE,

i get a situation like on the attached/insert picture:

I) net edges

II) particle track

So I am able to change the velocities, but this does not have the intended effect on the particle trajectory.

Fluent manual:

" During ANSYS FLUENT execution, the DEFINE_DPM_SCALAR_UPDATE function is called at the start of particle integration (when initialize is equal to 1) and then after each time step for the particle trajectory integration. "

 

Is scalar update the way to go? If so, what needs to be kept in mind for this to work as desired?

 

Thanks again!

BR Twain

 

edit: insert image

thanks, did not know this, hope this helps

[DrAmine]

ANSYS Staff do not look into attachments. Please insert your picture. Scalar Update is used to modify particle states and properties and to free particles to a certain velocity.

[Twain]

Hey there,

 

any ideas on my updated post?

(inserted image )

 

Thank in advance,

BR

Twain!

[DrAmine]

Yes that is the right macro to affect particle trajectory. There are other possibilities like providing a body force. That is your task to identify the right approach.