TAGGED: dpm, eulerian-multiphase, open-channel, vof-multiphase
May 13, 2022 at 11:18 amJjoonnaassSubscriber
I'm trying to simulate a open channel water flow with particles. At first, i tried to represent the surface as a pressure outlet since it is the main goal to investigate the behaviour of the particles. I want to compare the results of the DPM and the Eulerian method. However, the pressure outlet at the free surface leads to unrealistic and unsteady velocity profiles. Via the VOF model and a bigger simulation area above the surface, the surface and its effects can be shown in a better way. Is there any way i can combine e.g. an eulerian-eulerian model for the water and the particles and a vof model for the free surface?
ThanksMay 13, 2022 at 12:30 pmRobAnsys EmployeeWhy not model E-E with a third phase? Not sure what you're trying to replicate so it's a bit hard to give an answer.
May 16, 2022 at 12:05 pmJjoonnaassSubscriberI'm trying to replicate a sedimentation basin that is shaped like a long channel (8m x 0.34m x 0.2). On one side, there is the water inlet from 0 m to 0.11m in height, and on the other side, the outlet from 0.32m to 0.34m. I tried modeling only the water domain with the particles and set the water surface as a pressure outlet. Due to e.g. wave formation, water is leaving the simulation domain through this pressure outlet. Therefore, there are quite some velocity fluctuations in the whole fluid domain. The magnitude of these fluctuations is too high to be realistic in my opinion.
I tried to simulate a larger domain above the surface with the E-E model (and 3 phases). To obtain the correct water level, I patched the respective volume fraction of air to the regions above and below the surface level. However, if water is entering the channel through the inlet, the surface level will rise as not enough water is leaving the channel through the outlet (another pressure outlet). The surface level is then rising until the water can leave the channel through the pressure outlet on top of the channel. If I switch to the VOF model with the same setting (without particles), the water level is quite constant at 0.34m and the velocity profile looks good. Do you have any advice on how I can properly simulate the free surface with the E-E model? Are there some learning aids available?
May 16, 2022 at 2:56 pmRobAnsys EmployeeThere's not an open channel option for E-E at present. What did you set the downstream boundary as in the E-E model?
May 17, 2022 at 11:43 amJjoonnaassSubscriberThe outlet is a pressure outlet with 0 Pa of gauge pressure as there is no massflow outlet available for E-E.
So would you advice to simulate the free surface as a wall?
May 17, 2022 at 1:53 pmRobAnsys EmployeeIf you know the free surface height then yes, use a wall or symmetry. What I'm not getting is why the Eulerian phase isn't flowing out of the domain, it's usually OK with pressure boundaries.
May 17, 2022 at 3:23 pmJjoonnaassSubscriberOkay, thank you.
There is outflow at the downstream outlet but it is not the same amount as the inflow because the water is leaving through the pressure outlet at the free surface.
May 17, 2022 at 3:25 pmRobAnsys EmployeeOutflow or pressure outlet?
May 17, 2022 at 3:37 pmJjoonnaassSubscriberPressure outlet; the wording was a bit unclear
May 17, 2022 at 4:01 pmRobAnsys EmployeeNo worries. Water should leave through the outlet, what are the relative boundary sizes?
May 17, 2022 at 6:04 pmJjoonnaassSubscriberThe inlet and outlet are rather small compared to the volume of the basin. The inlet is 0.11m x 0.2m and the outlet 0.02m x 0.2m. The water domain is 0.34m x 0.2m x 8m. This leads to high outlet velocities compared to the velocities in the middle of the basin.
May 18, 2022 at 12:35 pmRobAnsys EmployeeSo it'll be a lesser pressure drop to over flow the domain: does it overflow in reality?
May 18, 2022 at 7:44 pmDrAmineAnsys EmployeeAre u using open channel flow with VOF? If yes then the Eulerian model requires paper pressure profile at the outlet.
May 19, 2022 at 10:00 amJjoonnaassSubscriberIn reality, the channel has a height of 0.6m and the water level is at a height of 0.34m. So, there is wave formation and but water can only leave the domain through the downstream outlet
May 19, 2022 at 10:05 amJjoonnaassSubscriberI tried it with the open channel function of the VOF model and this has led to a nice representation of the water surface. However, the most important part here is to simulate the sedimentation process. The VOF model is not ideal for this purpose. Therefore, I use the euler-euler model.
May 19, 2022 at 7:09 pmDrAmineAnsys EmployeeThen in Eulerian try to have pressure orofile at the outlet abs same initialization as in the case with open channel.
May 23, 2022 at 1:26 pmJjoonnaassSubscriberThis might sound like a stupid question but what is the difference between this kind of initialization and patching the volume fraction of air to the respective regions?
The result should be the same, right?
May 23, 2022 at 1:35 pmMay 23, 2022 at 1:47 pmDrAmineAnsys EmployeeWith Open Channel Flow I assume the pressure profile is "described" by Fluent using the neighborhood VOF. In Eulerian that does not exist and you need to do that on your own.
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