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Modal Analysis replacing fluid with solid material

    • marius_aachen

      Dear ANSYS community,

      I did a modal analysis for a stator-housing combination of a motor using ANSYS Mechanical.

      In order to avoid fluid dynamic simulations I modeled oil as a solid using the following material parameters:

      • density: 822 kg m^-3

      • linear elastic behavior with

        • bulk modulus: 1.476E+09

        • Poisson's ratio: 0.499

      The density and bulk modulus are taken from a datasheet. Since liquids can be assumed to be incompressible I set the Poisson's ratio to 0.499.

      In the results of the modal analysis there are hundreds of eigenshapes which only show a deformation of the surrogate solid. These deformations look strange and do not lead to noticeable deformations of the outer housing (not displayed in attached screenshot). Furthermore, the eigenfrequencies of these eigenshapes lie close together. A picture of the deformations of the surrogate solid which should represent the oil is attached.

      Do you have any ideas why the deformations look like this? Do I have to choose other material parameters to substitute the oil with a solid? I am glad for each hint you can provide.


      Kind regards

      Marius Hensgens




    • peteroznewman

      The nodes in the oil have a low shear modulus which gives them the flexibility that allows multiple mode shapes to be created. You could just ignore the modes in the oil and focus only on the modes where the stator-housing has a large component.

      Did you bond the oil to the stator and rotor or was it frictionless contact?  Bonding may help.  If you did bond, maybe the modes are coming from nodes internal to the oil. The problem with bonding is that you now pick up the shear stiffness of the elastic solid, which is not present in the oil.  You could go with an orthotropic material, but then you have to create a cylindrical coordinate system to keep the radial and tangential directions in each element properly aligned to that axis.

      If you make the oil have only one element through the thickness, then there would not be any internal nodes that are only connected to oil. All the nodes would be bonded to the rotor or the stator.  ANSYS might warn you that there is only one element through the thickness, but that may not apply if both sides are bonded to something else.

      You have two cylindrical surfaces between which is the oil that you want the spring rate included in the model, is it possible to define that as a gasket material?  I don't know if that is permitted in a Modal analysis. A gasket must have only 1 element through the thickness, and the nodes on each side are bonded to the coincident faces. That way, there are no nodes that are free to oscillate, yet you have a spring rate between the rotor and the stator.  Furthermore, unlike an elastic solid, gaskets only apply a normal force, so the shear force is effectively zero, like a fluid.

      Another approach is to define a bushing joint between the stator and rotor to replace the oil. There would be no oil solid, just a bushing joint between the two cylindrical surfaces.  I know bushings are permitted in modal analysis (though not in nonlinear statics!). You get to define the bushing spring rate.

      In your model, is the rotation of the rotor fixed to ground or is it free?

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