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SOLID187 KEYOPT Changing Error

    • ysngrg
      Subscriber

      Hello All,


      I have a simulation, about rubbery material. I'm using solid187 elements, and I want to use mixed formulation KEYOPT(6)=1.

      However, I could not change element keyopt options in workbench, I have just only one part, I wrote a command under geometry branch,

      KEYOPT,1,6,1

      But, I could not change, keyopt options,how can I do?


      Thx

    • peteroznewman
      Subscriber
      Put the command object under the Solid body in the Geometry branch of the outline. Use the following text:
      KEYOPT,MATID,6,1
    • ysngrg
      Subscriber
      Thx for your answer Peter I tried but I think It did not work, How can I check does it work?
      I have an information in the solution output, like that;
      ELEMENT TYPE1 IS SOLID187. IT IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH FULLY INCOMPRESSIBLE
      HYPERELASTIC MATERIALS. NO SUGGESTION IS AVAILABLE AND NO RESETTING IS NEEDED.


    • peteroznewman
      Subscriber
      Have you assigned a hyperelastic material model to that solid?
    • ysngrg
      Subscriber
      Yes, I assigned hyperelastic material model, Peter
    • ysngrg
      Subscriber
      Any idea about that?
      APDL change KEYOPT options when I assigned hyperelastic material model?
      If it can change, why I dont have volume convergence? When I assigned steel instead of rubber, I had a volume convergence values in the solution output.
    • peteroznewman
      Subscriber
      In Mechanical, click on the Geometry branch of the Outline. In the Details window is Element Control. Set that to Manual.
      How have you setup the Step Controls? Have you set the Initial Substeps to 100, the Minimum Substeps to 100 and the Maximum Substeps to 1000?
      What does the N-R Force Residual Plot look like under the Solution Information folder?
      Look at the Solver Output under Solution Information. That is where it tells you what Keyops are being used.
      How did you support the model? Fixed Support can cause problems.
      It is easy to converge with a Linear material, it is not easy to converge with a Nonlinear material.
    • ysngrg
      Subscriber
      Dear Peter, I am very gratefull for your support.
      I will try to explain my problem clearly.

      I have a body which is axisymetric, and this body has hyberelastic material. I do not have any convergency problem but I want to use "PLANE 183 elements with KEYOPT(6)=1 which is hybrid element".
      When I added command on rubber material there is no difference, I could not understand KEYOPT option was worked or was not work. But when I check solution output, I did not see any convergence value for mixed type elements. I added image.

      So when I asigned steel instead of rubber like material, I saw volume convergence value for mixed type elements. After that, I can understand KEYOPT(6)=1 is worked. I added image.

      So, what should I do? How can I use mixed type elements for axisymetric bodies.
      Thank you for your support.
    • peteroznewman
      Subscriber
      My experience was having models that would not converge without the mixed u-P element and would converge with it.
      If you have no convergence problem, why do you care if the mixed u-P element formulation was used?
    • ysngrg
      Subscriber
      As I know, for rubbery materials, mixed u-p elements better than linear u elements. I want to try and compare results. However, ANSYS is not giving permision for use u-P element with PLANE 183
    • peteroznewman
      Subscriber
      Yes it's better when models converge than when they don't.
      If by better, you mean more accurate, you can increase the accuracy by performing a mesh refinement study and by reducing the convergence tolerances.
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