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Spillway modelling

    • Prasanna
      Subscriber

      I am trying to model spillway in 2D. The problem of floating point exception is always troubling me. Can anyone helpme in this regard.

    • Karthik R
      Administrator

      Hello,


      Please elaborate and provide some more details of your model. Please provide some screenshots as well as explain your boundary conditions. You might also want to take a look at the mesh statistics. 


      Floating point error generally occurs when the solver encounters a really small value in the denominator. 


      Another questions - does this happen right at the beginning or somewhere in the middle of a simulation?


      Are you running a steady or unsteady problem?


      In short, you might have to explain your problem better so we are able to help you.


      Thank you.


      Best Regards,


      Karthik

    • Prasanna
      Subscriber

      Boundary conditions: Velocity inlet, pressure outlet, wall


      velocity is 0.892m/s


      the model is scaled to 1:100.


      Yes, the floating point error is in the beginning. min orthogonal quality is 0.245, max. ortho skew is 0.7547, max. aspect ratio is 12.6. 

    • Prasanna
      Subscriber

    • seeta gunti
      Ansys Employee

      Hello Prasanna,


      Thanks for the screen shots. 


      As I can see the screenshot  and understand that k and epsilon are causing the divergence. I suggest to run with first order upwind scheme with lesser URFs. Can you try reducing the URFs of K & epsilon to 0.6 and run. If you still facing the divergence, you can still reduce to 0.5 or 0.4 and run the case. One more observation is reverse flow at the outlet. May be you can still extend your outlet and continue the run to avoid reverse flow at outlet. Kindly follow these two suggestions and  let me know if you still faces the issue.


      Regards,


      Seeta


       

    • Prasanna
      Subscriber

      If you can observe in the mesh, the boundary condition at the top most part of the geometry is also pressure outlet. can I understand that the reverse flow is because of not the left most outlet but it is rather because of the BC on the top. can you please provide clarification regarding this. 

    • Prasanna
      Subscriber

      Im sorry to say that,  the problem has not yet resolved with URFs as 0.5 for both k and epsilon and first order upwind scheme

    • Rob
      Ansys Employee

      Can you remesh and force a pave mesh onto the model? Don't use any edge sizing in GAMBIT and when you mesh the face select Pave (it looks to be defaulting to sub map).  You probably also need to refine the mesh over the top of the weir: read up on VOF model and adaption in the documentation. 


      As an aside, I'd advise learning either DesignModeler or (ideally) SpaceClaim and ANSYS (Workbench) Meshing as they're the current tools used in industry. 

    • Prasanna
      Subscriber
      Thank you so much. I request you to suggest me any tutorial that helps me in creating the geometry in design modeller for spillway shape.
    • Karthik R
      Administrator

      Hello,


      This is our Youtube page with loads of learning material on 'How To'. I'd suggest you use these videos to get up to speed with DM and WB meshing tools.


      https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdymxOTZSP8RzRgFT8kpYpA


      I hope this helps.


      Best Regards,


      Karthik

    • Prasanna
      Subscriber
      Thank you karthik. Will surely use these.
    • Prasanna
      Subscriber
      Thank you karthik. Will surely use these.
    • Prasanna
      Subscriber


      hello, after following all your recommendation, im facing the above mentioned problem. Can anyone try to help me in this regard

    • Rob
      Ansys Employee

      I suspect you need to reduce your timestep: the warning (for once) is fairly helpful.  Depending on the flow velocity 0.01s may be too high. 

    • Karthik R
      Administrator

      Hello Prasanna,


      please estimate your time step such that your Courant number does not exceed 1. This will ensure a stable solution. You might want to use the minimum grid size while estimating this time step size to be conservative.


      please let us know what you find,


      Best,


      Karthik

    • Prasanna
      Subscriber

      Hello,


      Thank you very much for the suggestion. It worked out and the problem is solved 

    • Prasanna
      Subscriber


      Hello,


      I have some doubtful results in fluent as detailed in the image. The B.C are velocity inlet, wall and pressure outlet. Can you please let me know where i am going wrong in my simulation. The operating pressure is set as 101325 pa. 

    • Prasanna
      Subscriber

      Hi,


       I felt this information could add to clarify my doubt. The velocity provided at the inlet is 0.892 m/s. The inlet in the present case is taken as the height over the crest of the spillway. 

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